James Talarico

And I define it really broadly

so that we can see different forms of Christian nationalism

rearing its head throughout the history of the church, because our religion has always struggled with its relationship with power.

It's something Jesus warns us about.

One of the things the devil offers to Jesus out in the wilderness is political power, all the kingdoms of the world, and Jesus rejects it.

Jesus tells his disciples on a regular basis to think of power differently, to think of power with rather than power over.

You know, if you wanna be a leader, you have to be a servant to others.

That idea of servant leadership is redefining our relationship with power, specifically political power.

And so that struggle is alive and well today.

And so you see many of our fellow Christians, specifically those who serve in elected office, they are attempting to use their power

as elected officials, and the power of the state, the power of the government, to force their understanding of Christianity down other people's throats, specifically our

Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, atheist, agnostic neighbors.

And those are the exact neighbors who we are called to love as ourselves.

And I don't know about you, Jamie, but I don't want anyone's religion forced down my throat.

Certainly don't want it coming from a government, from a state.

So why would I do that to anyone else?

I think that's the basic test we have to apply.

And so...

Again, I think we have to have a real conversation within the church, within Christian communities, about what is our relationship with power.

Because in my mind, as a Christian, power that is not shared is...