James Tavernier

His hand's ended up there, however that's happened.

Whether it's, trustee's definitely with him, he goes into him.

Surely that should be taken into account, no?

Yeah, there's definitely contact with trustee, but again, if that's not a foul from trustee towards... No, it doesn't need to be a foul.

That's what I mean.

So is that taken into consideration then?

I don't know.

Again, the rules change all the time in terms of what is a penalty and what isn't.

But I can move your arm towards the ball without it being a foul, but it could not be enough to mitigate the handball though.

Well, clearly not for Andrew Dallas.

That's what I mean.

He's looked at it and said, that is not enough.

I know, but I'm asking for you, though.

I can see both sides of it.

I genuinely can.

And when people start speaking in the language that was used and that, oh, this shouldn't happen, and people are making up physics in terms of saying, you can hit your hand and you can still head it away.

You can deflect it.

You're not getting that distance unless it's at your head.

100%.

So, you know, both things can be true there.