James Viver

If there was a third person, why not talk about there being two people in the house and they must have done it?

That gives you more plausible deniability or explainability in that UCO

Danny crime syndicate boss scenario.

So why not, why not use it if you're trying to explain your way out of something?

Um, and that to me felt, felt like a big hole in, in that theory too.

The thing that they both have in common and that is really chilling, particularly for Vercone, you know, they sat there in that room and as we now know, they've been convicted.

They knew what happened, you know, and certainly we know because of the conviction now,

that Vakoni was a man who sat there in that room knowing, albeit 25 years ago, that he had punched a 70-year-old woman in the face, 70-odd years old.

You know, that's chilling.

And whatever about who did what and who struck what blow on whom in the house that night, a combination of the two men made that thing happen and they both knew that.

And particularly Vakoni sat there and said he didn't know anything about it.

when actually he did.

You know, this is a violent, brutal, savage attack.

You know, they hit her hard enough that her false teeth flew out onto the floor, and, and, and, let alone that she, of course, she died of her injuries.

And so, you know, whilst we go through the sort of ins and outs of the trial, that is the thing that I am still left with, is those two men knew what happened.

And to a greater or lesser extent,

showed remorse or didn't, and made admissions or didn't, but still they knew what happened and they still tried to get away with it to a greater or lesser degree.

And again, that's the thing I keep coming back to.

No, I can't.

That's the thing I keep coming back to is...