Jamie Kern Lima

You talk about that a lot.

And I think for a lot of people, they're like, oh, yeah.

so many people are searching for meaning and they maybe feel like, huh, maybe I want faith in my life or something bigger than myself.

But then they see these examples of people who maybe claim they're Christian, but their actions look a whole lot more like hate,

then they do love, they see politicians who run on Christian platforms, but then they're like, well, wait a minute, that doesn't seem like that feels congruent or aligned.

And so then a lot of people actually stay away from faith because they're worried that they're going to be disqualified or they're going to be judged or they're going to be

expected to be divisive or to hate other people or to be exclusionary.

Can you talk about something that I know is a huge passion of yours that I think a lot of people are maybe starting to be aware of, but can you talk about Christian nationalism and what people should know, what it is, how does it affect them?

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