Jamie Laing

How do you make these adaptations and make them feel so, you know, how do you understand them?

Your wife would see that and she would see what you were distracted.

There was something on your mind.

In 2010, you said, I want to write stuff and I haven't yet.

That says, this is the problem, but I don't necessarily know the answer.

And then 15 years later, you've done exactly that with adolescence.

And what was interesting, what I heard you talk about adolescence, right?

Is that when we talk about toxic masculinity, right?

People look at those sort of big figures.

Yeah.

of the world who we would say, those are the ones who are causing it.

And what you talk about is no, it's the ones, the smaller ones, the ones in the gaming community, the ones that you don't really see that are the real problem.

That's interesting.

you speak about sort of the Andrew Tate's of this world, right?

Yes.

Can I also ask, you know, someone like Jamie, right?

In adolescence.

Yes.

The reason why, and maybe it's not the reason why he isn't looking at someone like Andrew Tate is because is that too obvious?

What do you think we should be doing as a society to help kids like Jamie?