Jamie Laing

And Jack, I'm with you on that.

But why do you believe that's necessary?

I'm in complete agreement.

I think it's really important.

I think that we have the responsibility to change this for the younger generation.

And what Australia have done is brilliant.

You know, your parents were big campaigners, right?

Yes.

And forgive me if I got this wrong, but your mum, before you were born, went to jail for two weeks.

For the CND.

Yeah.

For campaigning, for sitting on the road, right?

Yes, yes.

Which is fantastic.

But that, again, if we talk about like what you were when you were a kid and six years old, that's what would have been ingrained within your mind.

And so therefore you must be within you a campaigner as well against certain things and have real passions against it.

Yeah, but perhaps there is an argument to suggest that these things skip a generation, right?

So if your parents are quite bullish, then you as the child probably not going to be quite as bullish.

But then your child who sees their grandparents or see you not being quite as bullish then becomes quite bullish.

Oh, wow.