Jamie Laing

And we're like, well, I guess it's over.

But that for me is someone who...

You talk about being liked and having panic and having anxiety and worrying about whether I did... That is someone with, what I would say, real confidence.

It's the curse of success.

It really is.

You see it in business, you see it in a personal brand.

You know, you started out at 15 years old, just being you.

Because you have that naivety.

And I've said this so many times, but there's this great conversation which is about how experience ruins innocence.

And why if we stay innocent, it's the greatest thing.

The reason why kids can climb to the top of the tree is because they're not worried about hurting themselves.

Yeah.

As we get older, we don't do that because we're like, oh, what happens if we fall out and break up?

And so we lose that.

I find it so interesting how people then start to filter themselves because they try to become a version that they think other people want to be rather than being a version of what they should be.

How do you do that?

Because the ultimate... It's exposure, right?

Why do we fear that?

Why, not every individual, but a huge majority of us, we fear the response of giving a negative answer to something.

I remember I had a conversation with a bunch of my guy friends years ago.