Jamie Laing

Do you know what I find so strange?

I think as humans, it's like an evolutionary thing.

We always thought the saber-toothed tiger was out there, so survival, always be scared.

The...

stick breaking behind you in the middle of the night isn't, you know, your neighbor saying hi.

It's something scary, right?

So we lean into that sort of suffering place.

It's much easier for us to lean into the suffering, be a victim.

It's much harder to not be and be positive and happy and take the good things out.

And so I think in life you have to try as much as it's difficult to not lean into that sense of suffering.

I'm really sorry.

It's all right.

It says, yeah, but grief, you know, back to back is like, it's tricky.

I think this is why your music is so amazing thank you because I think what you as you said what you do is you encapsulate feelings and emotions and you're very honest you know you one of your songs about coming out as you know as queer and that's quite a bold thing to talk about in a song right because it's a very personal thing to you but you decide to make music about it yeah which I think is amazing

That was from my conversation with Kat Burns, the incredible singer, songwriter, and celebrity traitors legend.

I loved that show, and I loved having Kat on Great Company.

Now, she spoke about so many amazing things.

In particular, her perspective on grief.

That kind of really stuck with me.

What she says about how people who experience grief are some of the most loving people you can meet.