Jamie Laing

They talk about the relationships they had.

And we're fooling ourselves a little bit in life.

Of course we are.

Thinking these things are the haircut, the job, the books that we make, the podcasts that we do.

That is going to make us fulfilled later in life.

But actually it's not.

Do you think we can change who we are?

So if we want to be likeable, if we are a people pleaser, if we are scared of whatever it may be, do you think we can change that within ourselves?

You mentioned the health stuff, right?

And in your book, you say the price of being likable was an unexpected operation.

What happened?

2010, I think.

2010, yeah.

absolute burnout constantly because who's that who's that helping no one we feel we're working so hard so yes we're going to that point because then everyone can see that we're working hard and I feel like I'm working hard and I deserve what I'm getting out of it I deserve it because I'm working that hard that was a big thing for me yeah like I don't

One of your chapters in your book is, will you like me if I end things here?

Ending things in general is like such a powerful thing, whatever that is.

And you've kind of been, I think,

especially with your career, you've been quite good at saying, I'm going to change this now.

I'm going to move on.

I'm going to do this.