Jamie Loftus

Now this might be, you can see this as like, well, maybe the effective altruist types were just in it for the altruism.

And once they saw Sam was shady, they packed up.

And that's true for those individual people.

You know, there's some decent people who just got caught up in the movement and they clearly had some degree of moral integrity, but the broader effective altruism movement-

Including Will McCaskill, its Pope, never disaffiliated from Sam.

McCaskill was saying, talking about Sam like the second fucking coming up until late 2022.

And in exchange for laundering Sam's reputation, Sam sent tens of millions of dollars, 160 million to EA causes in 2022 alone.

And that's why McCaskill maintained movement ties with Bankman Freed.

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In the weeks leading up to that April 2018 confrontation with Bankman Freed, and in the months that followed, McCauley and others, who was one of the executives that left, warned McCaskill, Beckstead, and Karnofsky about her co-founder's alleged duplicity and unscrupulous business ethics, according to four people with knowledge of those discussions.

Buscal recalled speaking to McCauley immediately after one of McCauley's conversations with McCaskill in late 2018.

"'Will basically took Sam's side,' said Buscal, who recalls waiting with McCauley in the Stockholm airport while she was on the phone."

Will basically threatened her, Buscall recalls.

I remember my impression being that Will was taking a pretty hostile stance here and he was just believing Sam's side of the story, which made no sense to me.

So Will, again, perfectly willing to like throw down against, you know, the more honest people in his movement and personally threaten them in order to keep the money flowing to his fancy cause so that he can.

Right.

Right.

No, you knew damn well what was going on and you knew that that's you.

You were willing to continue pretending he was a good guy and aligned with your movement as long as the money kept flowing.

Right.