Jamie Metzl

It is not.

There's going to be advertising and who knows whether the suggestions you get, it's like, oh my God, you look really peaked today.

You'd really benefit from a big glass of AG1.

That's right.

Man, am I thirsty.

How about some St.

James organic brewed tea?

I saw that.

And that's why this idea that our future should just depend on the judgment of these big tech companies is insane.

I'm sure you followed this debate between Anthropic and what I still call the Defense Department.

And people were saying the Anthropic is the good guy and OpenAI is the bad guy because OpenAI stepped into the vacuum.

But my feeling is if we're counting on Anthropic or OpenAI or anybody else to not just create Skynet for money, without saying this is a societal transformation, we need to have governance.

Governance is bigger, but includes regulation.

At every level, we need to say, what do we want this to look like?

And how do we create a set of guardrails and infrastructure?

incentives and norms and structures and regulations and laws that can lead us in the direction of what we want.

And we see what happens when we don't do that with social media.

So with Section 230 of the Telecommunications Act, the decision was made that these Internet, later social media companies, would have no content liability.

You mentioned Tristan Harris.

It was a total license to basically weaponize these algorithms to push people toward becoming the insane zombies that our young people are.