Jamie Metzl

And everyone's all agitated about one issue and it's the meaning of their life is this thing.

And then it's something else.

It turns out that there are lots of.

foreign intelligence agencies that are manipulating it.

And people don't even know why they believe the things that they believe.

There's a reason why we came together to form governments is that some issues we need to solve together.

So that's why I'm a big believer in governance.

And if we have technological innovation without accountability and standards and governance, this whole thing's going to end poorly.

So it's mostly right.

And so I think what they were saying is targeting decisions and surveillance of Americans.

And I think they were both very legitimate concerns.

But at the same time, my feeling is, like I said before, if our strategy to protect civilians is,

Is one supplier among thousands of suppliers to the Defense Department or whatever else they call it now be behaving ethically?

And then our strategy is, well, every supplier to the Defense Department should put standards.

Of whatever their thing, you know, this this screw can only be used in these circumstances and not other circumstances like that's an insane way to organizing.

So what I was saying is we need to have standards that apply to everybody and all of the suppliers.

And frankly, what we're seeing in the Ukraine war now is.

is that we're going to have to be pretty permissive with the use of AI in the battlefield.

Because if the Ukrainians said, actually, we're going to limit the autonomy of our killer robots and the Russians aren't, the war's over.

So I just think that I fully agree with the issues and the concerns, but I think it would be a terrible way to run our defense department to allow each contractor to have its own