Jamie Metzl

Because the dining rooms and the living rooms are just pure blank walls.

And the kitchens and the bathrooms have all these weird funky spaces that require the more tactile human skills that machines can get.

So it's a robotics issue.

Okay.

And these robots are using 40% less paint than the human who would be painting the same thing just because it's just more efficient and they have different distributions.

And so those humans who are doing those jobs, I think we are going to have some pretty significant layoffs as we figure out what can machines do in certain circumstances like these that may be better.

Right.

But it also may be the case that we will have humans that can do things that machines can't do.

So I do think I'm not a doomer on the jobs situation.

But I do think that the speed of this transition, that's going to really cause a lot of pain.

And I think it's a fundamental requirement.

that our government and the state of California just passed its AI bill this week.

Trying to do this is to say, well, this thing is coming.

What are the different things that we can do?

How do we make sure that everybody has universal healthcare, universal access to high quality education?

retraining programs, unemployment insurance, all of these kind of social safety net things.

And so I know you've had people on your show talk about universal basic income.

So I, for one, am against UBI, even though I understand the underlying motivation.

And the reason is I just think that people get a sense of accomplishment through work.

But I think there's an unlimited amount, like I was saying with my mother, there's an unlimited amount of things that we call work.