Jamie Metzl

So what I would rather do is to have UBS.

universal basic services.

So like in Europe, if you lose your job in Europe, you're not afraid that you're going to not have any health care.

The basic services so that people, there's this less existential fear.

But then I think that we need to really think about what are these investments that

in new industries.

We're doing podcasts.

We definitely need more podcasters, Jamie.

What I'm saying is podcasting is a huge industry.

It wouldn't have existed before.

So we're going to have lots of these new things.

There's going to be a painful transition, as was the case with industrialization and when people came off of the farms and then they went into these horrible early industrial jobs.

So I'm not saying this is going to be painless.

As a matter of fact, I think it's going to be painful.

We also can't stop it.

And so the question is, what is the role, our collective role of responsible governments to ease this transition and invest in the new things that we can't yet imagine?

And we can't be like Europe or India has been traditionally where you say if you hire someone once, you have to keep them on your payroll forever.

That's not competitive.

So I think that we need to grow our economy, but it can't be at the expense of humans.

And that comes back to the central theme everywhere, that this can't be a story about technology.