Jamie Wall

Exactly right.

I think that's his point.

I think that's his point, Dave Rennie, in that, you know, when you look at... I know he's picking on Super Rugby form, and he made this point right at the very start, didn't he?

But at the same time, as you said, there were 44 or 45 players used last year.

You can't go into those first three tests of the year and go, OK, let's wipe the slate clean from all the guys that played last year, even though...

You've got valid questions about some of them, their form and what they contributed, especially in those three losses.

But it's not like he's going to go in there and pick 45 standout players from Super Rugby without all-black experience.

It's just not going to happen.

He also mentioned, and I asked him about this, was the abrasiveness.

Because remember, and Tony Johnson brings it up all the time, the way that the Chiefs played, especially around the breakdown under Rennie.

You call it niggly, you call it abrasive.

They really got up people's noses and in their faces, didn't they?

And he mentioned, and the word he mentioned, Jamie, was brutality, didn't he?

Oh, yes.

So that kind of triggers all kinds of thoughts, Mark, about that loose forward trio.

And, you know, is it going to be height based like Mex wants?

Is it going to be just tough ass guys who are going to smash people in tackles?

Is it a combination of both of those?

And then you look at the names and start picking them out.

And I just I actually think we might be quite surprised at six, seven and eight, the combinations that he decides on.