Jan Malcolm

um in terms of surge capacity or lack of surge capacity um you know and and the workforce shortages that are popping up all over the place that's a shared problem right but we don't we don't typically you know we typically you know kind of public health's over here and health care's over here and we're looking out for ourselves we gotta look out for each other to a greater you know um

um in terms of surge capacity or lack of surge capacity um you know and and the workforce shortages that are popping up all over the place that's a shared problem right but we don't we don't typically you know we typically you know kind of public health's over here and health care's over here and we're looking out for ourselves we gotta look out for each other to a greater you know um

Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right, and that's one of my biggest worries, actually.

Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right, and that's one of my biggest worries, actually.

This was so disruptive, you know, so bad. Everybody just wants... Nobody wants to talk about this except the three of us, maybe. It's like, don't say COVID anymore. And I think... we, we do have a, you know, a window here to try to, I agree while things are still fresh to have some candid conversations, but it's, you know, and I understand why people aren't so very eager to, to go there.

This was so disruptive, you know, so bad. Everybody just wants... Nobody wants to talk about this except the three of us, maybe. It's like, don't say COVID anymore. And I think... we, we do have a, you know, a window here to try to, I agree while things are still fresh to have some candid conversations, but it's, you know, and I understand why people aren't so very eager to, to go there.

Cause it's, it is, it's hard. Yeah. We're recovering from it. It's, you know, it brings back some pretty, pretty bad feelings to, to reflect back on it. But, but boy, I sure hope we do.

Cause it's, it is, it's hard. Yeah. We're recovering from it. It's, you know, it brings back some pretty, pretty bad feelings to, to reflect back on it. But, but boy, I sure hope we do.

Yeah, you know, I really do think that we can use some of the specific things that we saw in COVID to illustrate things we've been talking about for quite some time about, you know, the fundamental need to work on the community conditions that support health or that don't support health, that it isn't all about the biomedical, you know, end of the continuum.

Yeah, you know, I really do think that we can use some of the specific things that we saw in COVID to illustrate things we've been talking about for quite some time about, you know, the fundamental need to work on the community conditions that support health or that don't support health, that it isn't all about the biomedical, you know, end of the continuum.

It's about what really determines health. It's not just can you get to the doctor when you need to, essential as that is. It's about the conditions in your community, about people's economic security, their physical security, housing, the environment, the access to resources.

It's about what really determines health. It's not just can you get to the doctor when you need to, essential as that is. It's about the conditions in your community, about people's economic security, their physical security, housing, the environment, the access to resources.

And I think we saw that in who was disproportionately exposed to COVID and who was disproportionately affected by the severity of it. And so taking some of those just really, you know, practical lessons learned about the importance of the housing conditions, the working conditions. Could you get access to tests or not?

And I think we saw that in who was disproportionately exposed to COVID and who was disproportionately affected by the severity of it. And so taking some of those just really, you know, practical lessons learned about the importance of the housing conditions, the working conditions. Could you get access to tests or not?

Did, you know, how did we do at getting, you know, testing, vaccination and therapeutics into the communities that were the hardest hit? You know, I think we've got some really tangible examples, you know, when we kind of talk about the the social and economic determinants of health in a theoretical way, people just don't really quite get what we're talking about. But when we say,

Did, you know, how did we do at getting, you know, testing, vaccination and therapeutics into the communities that were the hardest hit? You know, I think we've got some really tangible examples, you know, when we kind of talk about the the social and economic determinants of health in a theoretical way, people just don't really quite get what we're talking about. But when we say,

look at the patterns of how COVID moved and how much that was influenced by things like housing conditions and working conditions and multi-generational families and the lack of good quality ventilation in buildings and all of that stuff. I think we just reflect on, okay, what did we see and how do we talk about that in ways that policymakers and other influencers

look at the patterns of how COVID moved and how much that was influenced by things like housing conditions and working conditions and multi-generational families and the lack of good quality ventilation in buildings and all of that stuff. I think we just reflect on, okay, what did we see and how do we talk about that in ways that policymakers and other influencers

can can see the need to really invest in those community conditions and not just you know as important as it is to say boy we need more nurses and doctors yeah we do and that's not enough right you know we need we need to to pay attention to these community conditions way differently than we have so ask a question let me let me ask you a question because i'm i'm intrigued now by the fact of how you've been responding uh

can can see the need to really invest in those community conditions and not just you know as important as it is to say boy we need more nurses and doctors yeah we do and that's not enough right you know we need we need to to pay attention to these community conditions way differently than we have so ask a question let me let me ask you a question because i'm i'm intrigued now by the fact of how you've been responding uh