Janatan Sayeh

So tackling that might take some time.

But ultimately, we've seen Iranians really unify

with specific demands of not only regime change, but holding the 1979 flag.

And you're talking about an educated population, of course.

Iranians are familiar with political campaigns.

Of course, elections are a sham in the Islamic Republic.

But nonetheless, it has been a mechanism that has familiarized Iranians on politics,

how elections work, how checks and balances work, how party formations really take place.

So if you look at all the features, it's really in place.

It's really about getting there.

But of course, external help is also key.

American and Israeli intelligence services ensuring that different Islamist groups are not going to usurp the situation using the level that they've penetrated Islamic Republic's intelligence apparatus to ensure that should be a transition, there's not going to be another movement that would actually battle this one.

Well, the way they look at it right now, it's a takeover by Islamism.

The perception in Iran is that the country has been occupied by this Islamic force for the last 50 years.

The country, the society really is going through radical change.

Iran is about, I think, 60% under or about the age of 30.

So very young population and a total of 90 million.

So you're talking about a new generation of Iranians that have fundamentally rejected Islamism.

And again, they're looking at the West, the form of animosity towards really the West or America doesn't really exist.

I think sometimes when we frame it that way, we might be looking at Iran through the Cold War lens in a sense that the population at the time in the USSR was isolated and they were only really getting information through disinformation and propaganda.