Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be, probably, your only chance for generations.
During his eight-minute video announcing strikes on Iran, President Trump encouraged the Iranian people to use this once-in-a-generation opportunity to rise up and seize power.
In this episode, we sit down with an Iran native and foreign policy expert to discuss what regime change could actually look like based on the priorities of the new generation of Iranians leading the anti-regime protests. I'm Daily Wire executive editor John Bickley with Georgia Howe. This is a weekend edition of Morning Wire.
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Chapter 2: What prompted President Trump's call to the Iranian people?
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Joining us now to discuss the situation in Iran is Jonathan Saia, an Iran analyst at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Jonathan, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me.
So we obviously have a rapidly developing situation on the ground in Iran, but we wanted to talk to you about specifically Trump calling on the Iranian people to rise up and overthrow this tyrannical regime. That's an exciting, incredible call, but there are a lot of questions, of course, about how this might actually play out.
First of all, in terms of what we know about the Iranian people at large and how they feel about this regime, we've seen these sustained protests. Is there a sense that they really are poised now to fully overthrow this regime and create a new government?
There certainly is. So we have to go a few years back to see how we really got to this point of this level of resentment against the Islamic Republic. So the first really anti-regime movement was in 2009. That's when I was active on the ground when I used to live in Tehran.
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Chapter 3: How do young Iranians view the current regime?
But that doesn't mean we want to literally go exactly to that. We want to be inspired by that to develop something new. And that's what I think, you know, when you look at Gen Z, that's why they probably want to see a constitutional monarchy to have elements of both national Iranian pride and, of course, aspects of democracy.
You mentioned the approach towards the United States, how they perceive America. Yeah. Let's look at the protest chants for the past years. When Iranian civil society and ordinary Iranians were protesting, I'm not talking about regime-affiliated demonstrations that are displayed on propaganda. When ordinary Iranians go out, there's not been a single chant about US sanctions.
there's not been a single mention of somehow the U.S. is a great saint. The most prominent chant, and I actually remember saying this myself personally, that has been very vibrant, is that, quote unquote, they are lying to us when they say the United States is the enemy. Our enemy is right here, meaning it's the Islamic Republic. So that form of propaganda is not really working out.
They see how life functions in the West. They look at their own lives. They know they're being lied to. The sort of animosity towards Israel or America is not really there because it hasn't worked. This narrative of working in the shadows and trying to defy the Western order, trying to somehow work with sanctioned entities such as Russia and China, that has not played out.
Chapter 4: What historical context is relevant to the current protests in Iran?
They see that eastern bloc, if you will, of North Korea, the axis of aggressors, as the losing game. They don't want to have a life like an average Russian. They want to really aspire to have a life more so like what we see in the West. So because of that, I don't really see a scenario where post-regime change, you're going to see this level of animosity.
Of course, there's going to be criticism of every foreign policy decision made by different countries. But that said, this anti-Americanism that's so inherent to the Islamic Republic is not going to be their post-regime change.
Well, this is an exciting moment. It's a fraught moment for sure. But the whole world's eyes watching what happens in the next days, maybe weeks in Iran. Jonathan, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me.
That was Jonathan Sia from the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. And this has been a weekend edition of Morning Wire.