Jane Ward

We see even fewer men identifying as feminist than, you know, in older generations.

And so, you know, where I go with this in the tragedy of heterosexuality is to say, look...

You know, there's something kind of suspicious, sort of half-baked about heterosexual masculinity right now.

Because on the one hand, straight men say that they're really into women, but their actions suggest that they don't actually like women.

And so I think feminism is a way for straight men to...

to demonstrate that they actually like women so much, they're so heterosexual, that they actually like women, you know?

They want to listen to women talk.

They care about women's ideas.

They want to follow women's leadership.

Yes, they're friends with women.

They watch movies about women.

They read books written by women.

I mean, it's just kind of amazing how narrowly we have defined heterosexual masculinity.

And it's so different from the way lesbians think about our sexuality.

It's like, you know, for me, the fact that I'm attracted to women is inseparable from wanting what's best for girls and women as a whole.

You know, nothing about that is specific to being a lesbian.

Straight men could do that too, but they have to want to.

And I think they have to kind of hit rock bottom.

And maybe, maybe they are.

Absolutely.