Janet Holmes à Court

So more people in the time that they mean something may see them.

Maybe that's the right thing to do.

We'll only know that in the future.

But I think sometimes it's better that they sort of burn bright and we have that access to those pieces rather than sometimes wonder, well, will someone really need to see this in 300 years' time?

I put that down as one of the great experiences of my life, seeing that thing.

Like –

For a really good reason.

Yeah, yeah.

One of the other things I did want to share just about that chat with Janet, remember when you arrived she mentioned Paul McCartney?

And I think at some stage she'd met Paul McCartney and I think she had a story basically saying when her husband had met Paul he said to her, you know, I know you, I've seen you on the TV or, you know, I know your music.

And that's why she'd brought up the fact that she'd met you for the first time because she'd clearly seen you on the telly and...

appreciates what you do but the reason she'd come across Paul McCartney and I always thought this is the most extraordinary story was that at one period of time the Homes of Courts owned the ATV music publishing rights which ended up being the Sony publishing rights but it within those publishing rights are all the songs of the Beatles that Paul McCartney amazing didn't actually own

And so they had those rights and then they decided in the mid-1980s to sell those rights.

And Paul was interested in buying them but they were too expensive.

The person who ended up buying them in 1985 was Michael Jackson, paid like $48 million for it.

Part of the deal for him to get the rights was that Robert Holmes, the court, said, yes, you can have them.

The first carve out was that you don't get Penny Lane because that went to their daughter.

That was her favourite Beatles song.

So that sits with her now.

It's extraordinary.