Jared Freed

Yeah, I mean, she tried for therapy.

When he says no to therapy- He's not interested in making it work.

Right, you're negotiating against yourself.

Right.

Yeah, I think it's because-

Men, to give an answer that's not going to be likable, I think men are fixers.

You know, if a woman tells me she's sick, I'm like, what do you need, hospital, water?

Sometimes it feels like therapy is just this ongoing, never-ending work in progress that one thing we'll find, the next thing we'll find, the next thing.

Okay, because it's not like a linear, clear process.

There's no like, there's the end, the house is done, we did it.

Right.

That doesn't generally present itself.

I'm sure people have found that through therapy, but it doesn't.

And I don't think when I think a lot of men are like, what's the point if we're not going to fix it?

We can talk about this ourselves.

I'm not on the same page as that.

If I was having real issues in my marriage and my wife was like, let's get a third person in here to help navigate this and make this conversation more fruitful than it's already been, I would understand that value.

I hope.

Right.

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