Jared Kushner

I would say that most people in government, it's just a different form of negotiation than you see in the private sector and way less effective in that regard, which is why I think it's good the more we can encourage more people with private sector experience to do a stint in government and to –

really try to contribute and serve their country.

That's how our founders, I mean, George Washington and all the founding fathers, they were working on their farms.

They left their farms serving government, then they went back to the farm.

And that was kind of the design of the representative government.

It wasn't a career political class.

It was people coming in to

know show gratitude for the freedoms and liberties that they enjoyed and then you know you know do their best to kind of you know help others have those same opportunities that they had and then they'd go back and live their lives and so um so i think that there's a lot of opportunity with our government of people with more business mindsets who are going to think about things from a solutions perspective go and serve is that

So we don't have enough time on this podcast to go into it, but it's... Look, there's a lot of aspects that work as well, right?

But I do think we've gotten too big.

You know, Neil's book that you mentioned, you know, one of the things that I took from that, I read it, I think, in 2012, right kind of in the middle of the great financial crisis was...

He was talking about how government regulation often was put in place to deal with old crises, right?

So it was never going to solve future problems.

It was more to kind of create, to solve for problems that had happened in the past.

And I remember thinking about that.

One thing I was very proud of, of the work of the Trump administration was that you had four years consecutively where there was a net decrease in the cost of regulations, right?

So to give you a context, in the last year of Obama in 2016, there were 6 million man hours spent by the private sector complying with new federal regulations.

And that's not really what the intent of our government was, right?

If we have rules or regulations, those should be legislated by Congress.

They shouldn't be put in by bureaucrats who are basically saying, I want to follow this objective.