Jared Kushner

And in the first year, they eliminated eight regulations for every one.

And so that was just something I took from it, which was, I thought, very interesting.

And you had to really...

I think you just have to think through what are the consequences going to be of the different actions you take.

And often government gets it wrong by taking an action that feels right but has big negative consequences down the road.

Sure.

So to give the listeners some context, and people remember this now, it's been kind of swept away because it turned out not to be true, was that after President Trump won the election in 2016, instead of the media saying, we were wrong, because again, everyone thought he had zero chance of winning, they said, okay, well, we couldn't have been wrong.

It must have been the Russians who worked with him.

And so...

At first, when this started coming up, I thought this was ridiculous.

I mean, I was very intimately involved with the operations of the campaign.

I was running the finance of the campaign.

I was running the digital media of the campaign.

I was running the schedule for the campaign.

And I knew that on most days we had trouble, like, you know, working, coordinating with ourselves, you know, let alone, you know, collaborating with another government and colluding as they called it.

And so...

We did a great job, I think, as an underdog campaign, very leanly staffed.

And then they said that we were working with the Russians.

And so at the time, I didn't take it too seriously because I knew there was no truth to it.

But it was amazing to me to start seeing all of these institutions, whether it was CNN, The Washington Post, New York Times.