Jared Smith

Like it lost 200 grand last year.

So even a conference that's well established like that, if that happens,

I don't doubt it's not a true statement, but like how true is the detail that, that I'm not aware of, you know, like what's, what's left under the covers I haven't mentioned here, but I saw her mentioned in there and go for cons Slack and the, the channel there and they go for Slack that lost money.

So like, even if you run a well done conference like that with great organization every year, great production.

Yeah.

I mean, that's like 12 years running maybe like a long time.

Yeah.

So you're not immune to the risk, even if you've been in a groove for years.

Well, even when the, who runs strange loop, I can't remember his name now, but at the last strange loop, one of the last talks was the organizer whose name I'm forgetting.

Forgive me.

Who put it on thanklessly, except for the small group of people that thanked him for years, six, seven years.

And he shared all the financials for strange loop, which was a,

very successful conference, small regional, not huge like a KubeCon, but certainly well-respected and well-run.

And the financials just didn't make any sense.

Like you could just tell by the end of it, he was only doing it because he loved doing it.

There was no reason why anybody in their right mind would do it otherwise.

And that's for like a well-regarded successful conference.

So, I mean, that's why unconferences do make some sense because there's less to do, right?

Like your job is to get people to show up and,

hopefully there's some catering or whatever, but it's just less.