Jared

And it's cold, cold, cold, cold, cold. And then it's scalding hot. That's right. Yes. There's a whole like button and switch and, you know, design aspect to this with user experience. And the failure states of something like that, where you don't have, it doesn't have memory.

And it's cold, cold, cold, cold, cold. And then it's scalding hot. That's right. Yes. There's a whole like button and switch and, you know, design aspect to this with user experience. And the failure states of something like that, where you don't have, it doesn't have memory.

So you have to build in the memory of where exactly, like how many degrees do you turn that sucker around in order to get exactly the way you like it? Whereas in software, and you can do this in hardware design as well, you can actually create switches or levers or buttons where... It can either have helps for you, like clicks.

So you have to build in the memory of where exactly, like how many degrees do you turn that sucker around in order to get exactly the way you like it? Whereas in software, and you can do this in hardware design as well, you can actually create switches or levers or buttons where... It can either have helps for you, like clicks.

It can click into a certain spot and you can know six clicks is perfect. Feedback, haptics. Or it can have memory where you're like, just go to the six click thing and it knows to do that. So I think affordances is probably the word that designers use in order to help us get what we want out of a particular product. button. And yeah, I think the shower one is a good example of that. Also toasters.

It can click into a certain spot and you can know six clicks is perfect. Feedback, haptics. Or it can have memory where you're like, just go to the six click thing and it knows to do that. So I think affordances is probably the word that designers use in order to help us get what we want out of a particular product. button. And yeah, I think the shower one is a good example of that. Also toasters.

I mean, you can burn toast very easily because you'd set it to the wrong temp when it's like, I like it at this degrees for this long. Just do that every time.

I mean, you can burn toast very easily because you'd set it to the wrong temp when it's like, I like it at this degrees for this long. Just do that every time.

You got to get an actual button or a slider or something different. I think that's a case where buttons are actually intimidating. When you look in a cockpit, you're like, this does not look simple.

You got to get an actual button or a slider or something different. I think that's a case where buttons are actually intimidating. When you look in a cockpit, you're like, this does not look simple.

But I think the allure, and Rachel, go back into some of your research as well, because I read an excerpt from your book where you're talking about some of the history of the sales around, like the selling of the idea, this fantasy of like at the push of a button, like all your wildest dreams will come true. And of course, we also have the fear side of if I push this button, a bomb will go off.

But I think the allure, and Rachel, go back into some of your research as well, because I read an excerpt from your book where you're talking about some of the history of the sales around, like the selling of the idea, this fantasy of like at the push of a button, like all your wildest dreams will come true. And of course, we also have the fear side of if I push this button, a bomb will go off.

There's... sometimes hidden complexity behind a button. Sometimes it's as simple as switching something off and on, but what did they initially, when buttons became like in vogue or like whoever was out there selling buttons, what were they telling us? Like, what were you buying?

There's... sometimes hidden complexity behind a button. Sometimes it's as simple as switching something off and on, but what did they initially, when buttons became like in vogue or like whoever was out there selling buttons, what were they telling us? Like, what were you buying?

Yeah, we've experienced some of that with our children. You think we take for granted some things that adults know and that need to be taught, like some obvious things. And one thing that I took for granted with kids, not that they wanted to push buttons, because I know that that's like inherent in us is like the desire to push a button. And we can talk more about that. But

Yeah, we've experienced some of that with our children. You think we take for granted some things that adults know and that need to be taught, like some obvious things. And one thing that I took for granted with kids, not that they wanted to push buttons, because I know that that's like inherent in us is like the desire to push a button. And we can talk more about that. But

They have no thought of recourse on the other side of a button. And they have no idea what a button does. And that's not going to stop them. As an adult, I think, I don't know what that button does. I shouldn't push it. And I didn't think I'd have to explicitly teach that to every one of my children. But you do. You have to tell them because they're going to push the button.

They have no thought of recourse on the other side of a button. And they have no idea what a button does. And that's not going to stop them. As an adult, I think, I don't know what that button does. I shouldn't push it. And I didn't think I'd have to explicitly teach that to every one of my children. But you do. You have to tell them because they're going to push the button.

They're like, it's just there. And there's an education of like that button could have so many things behind it that you have no idea what they are. If you don't know what a button does, don't push it. And you got to teach kids that. I'm just now sharing this for future parents to know. Yes, you're going to have to tell your kids not to. And here's the kicker.

They're like, it's just there. And there's an education of like that button could have so many things behind it that you have no idea what they are. If you don't know what a button does, don't push it. And you got to teach kids that. I'm just now sharing this for future parents to know. Yes, you're going to have to tell your kids not to. And here's the kicker.