Jared

Even after you tell them not to, they're still going to push it. But at least you've done your job. You know, at least you've warned them.

Even after you tell them not to, they're still going to push it. But at least you've done your job. You know, at least you've warned them.

Oh, man. Button, button. Who's got the button? Is that from a movie? I don't know that phrase.

Oh, man. Button, button. Who's got the button? Is that from a movie? I don't know that phrase.

The good for nothing button. The good for nothing button. Okay. It's about pushing buttons. Well, they gotta be good for something. So Rachel, when the button is dead narrative began to spread and you, you got into this. did you believe it at first? Like, were you, cause now we're starting to think and we're seeing trends the other way. Like, yeah, we overstepped.

The good for nothing button. The good for nothing button. Okay. It's about pushing buttons. Well, they gotta be good for something. So Rachel, when the button is dead narrative began to spread and you, you got into this. did you believe it at first? Like, were you, cause now we're starting to think and we're seeing trends the other way. Like, yeah, we overstepped.

We need buttons for some things, namely in a car, for instance. But when that, cause I kind of bought it, like I was ready to be done with wires, buttons, internal combustion engines. I'm still cool with getting rid of those, but I'm thinking buttons, let's stick them around now. Did you, did you buy the hype of like, it's going to be touchscreens for everything? Cause I kind of bought it honestly.

We need buttons for some things, namely in a car, for instance. But when that, cause I kind of bought it, like I was ready to be done with wires, buttons, internal combustion engines. I'm still cool with getting rid of those, but I'm thinking buttons, let's stick them around now. Did you, did you buy the hype of like, it's going to be touchscreens for everything? Cause I kind of bought it honestly.

Video killed a radio star, that kind of thing. It's like, no, we just layer on, don't we? We just add more. We don't necessarily kill things. Of course, mediums do come and go in terms of their popularity and usage.

Video killed a radio star, that kind of thing. It's like, no, we just layer on, don't we? We just add more. We don't necessarily kill things. Of course, mediums do come and go in terms of their popularity and usage.

But the touchscreen has a lot going for it. It also has a lot of drawbacks. However, I would say that over the last, is it 15? Almost 20 years since the first iPhone, that the touchscreen, like the software button, that's really just not a real button. It's a touchscreen, but it's mimicking a button, has gotten a lot better.

But the touchscreen has a lot going for it. It also has a lot of drawbacks. However, I would say that over the last, is it 15? Almost 20 years since the first iPhone, that the touchscreen, like the software button, that's really just not a real button. It's a touchscreen, but it's mimicking a button, has gotten a lot better.

I mean, they've gotten a lot of ways to provide, what's it called, haptic feedback, right? Um, it even feels like you're pressing it now. I guess that's the haptic feedback. There's sound, there's, there's lots of things that they've done to kind of simulate a button press that makes it feel more real to us. But I think it doesn't really solve the underlying issue. Do you think that's fair to say?

I mean, they've gotten a lot of ways to provide, what's it called, haptic feedback, right? Um, it even feels like you're pressing it now. I guess that's the haptic feedback. There's sound, there's, there's lots of things that they've done to kind of simulate a button press that makes it feel more real to us. But I think it doesn't really solve the underlying issue. Do you think that's fair to say?

Like it's the underlying, well, maybe I'll ask you what is the underlying issue? Like, why do we still need them in your opinion?

Like it's the underlying, well, maybe I'll ask you what is the underlying issue? Like, why do we still need them in your opinion?

Yeah, I think that's the nut of it is like the physical feedback of it being right or wrong. without your eyes being involved. And the Apple TV remote, by the way, is terrible at this because Apple decided You know, I think Johnny Ive decided unilaterally for all of us that we didn't really need any tactile feedback on our remotes. And the Apple TV remote, they've gotten better over the years.

Yeah, I think that's the nut of it is like the physical feedback of it being right or wrong. without your eyes being involved. And the Apple TV remote, by the way, is terrible at this because Apple decided You know, I think Johnny Ive decided unilaterally for all of us that we didn't really need any tactile feedback on our remotes. And the Apple TV remote, they've gotten better over the years.

But if you go back to the original one, you know, it's this PEZ dispenser. It's actually smaller than that. It's like a pack of gum. And there's really not much to feel on it. It's symmetrical, right? So it could be upside down or not. You don't know. And there's one physical button. I think the menu button or maybe the Apple. Now there's a couple of buttons now, but they're few and far between.

But if you go back to the original one, you know, it's this PEZ dispenser. It's actually smaller than that. It's like a pack of gum. And there's really not much to feel on it. It's symmetrical, right? So it could be upside down or not. You don't know. And there's one physical button. I think the menu button or maybe the Apple. Now there's a couple of buttons now, but they're few and far between.