Jaron Lanier

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Okay, with all that out of the way, we've been saying the Epstein files were going to be a nothing burger, and it appears we may have gotten that wrong.

Where do you want to start, Sam?

Well, it turns out that I'm in them, which I was not anticipating, so we should talk about that.

Well, you don't need to start there.

We can come back to that unless you want to start there.

Well, do you want to start there?

Do we want to kind of talk about how there are gradations here?

I'll start wherever you want.

I just think we should go back to the idea that there's a spectrum here and how this is very similar to Me Too at a moment when someone like Matt Damon had early on said that there are

There are gradations to this.

There's a difference between slapping a girl on the ass and raping somebody, and he just got killed for that.

I mean, obviously, early on, everybody wants to lump everybody together.

And here, Epstein is the Harvey Weinstein, and we really need to put everybody on a spectrum and be clear-eyed about this.

And I didn't know if you wanted to set that up, what that might look like to you.

Right.

I think you're right.

The awareness factor, when people knew and what they knew, will come into play.