Jasmine Sun

I think that it also requires believing in full automation.

Again, like technology has to advance so much that it's not just replacing cognitive jobs, but it's also replacing like jobs in the physical world.

And do I think that could happen someday?

Like maybe, probably, like robotics is improving, but we're pretty, pretty far away from that.

Like, I think that we are going to have a lot more problems to deal with in the next decade before we get to the point where full automation is even worth considering.

Even for folks who do map out and care about these full automation scenarios, like the economist Phil Trammell, who wrote his Capital in the 22nd Century essay making a version of this argument.

He's called it the 22nd century because his very rough low confidence estimate was 100 years in the future.

And again, we may never arrive there if the relational sector of the economy is big enough.

labor will go to zero.

So his prediction was full automation, labor goes to zero.

If it's plausible, it's gonna be like 100 years in the future or something like that.

Yeah, like I think we have a lot of time and I think there are a lot of things that could happen between now and 100 years from now.

And so maybe personally, I'm more focused on these near term scenarios.

But like, I do think that like it is worth considering that capital relies on labor right now.

And if it doesn't require humans as much, I don't expect governments or corporations to be as generous in terms of things like welfare and caring about what people think about how things should go because they have robot alternatives.

And so those political dynamics might start showing up.

Yeah.

And I think that's why people are turning to things like violence, frankly.

It's like, if you are not, if you as a worker or as a normal person have no leverage as a result of doing work, because that's one of the traditional ways you have leverage, where do you have leverage?

You can do violent acts, do terrorism and riot in the streets.