Jason Bordoff

I think I'm saying his last name correctly, a French academic and scholar, which explains why it is so hard to have an energy transition.

If you go back over time, we have added clean energy at an unprecedented rate, and it's met most of the growth in global energy demand.

But oil use, gas use, coal use, they are all still going up as well.

And he nicely walks through history and shows things like we have this narrative.

We think that the Industrial Revolution meant coal replaced the use of wood because we stopped using wood as a fuel.

But then we needed all the wood to reinforce and build the coal mines.

And we needed the wood for the little ties that go on the railways because the rails were what moved the coal.

So wood demand went up because we ended up using it for other things.

And it's really a reminder of why it is really hard to find ways to make things like oil demand go down.

And then I'm going to end on something that has nothing to do with energy.

But given how bleak this outlook about energy in Iran has been, I think it's worth making space for a little bit of joy in our world.

And anyone who reads my weekly emails knows that I always find a way to work a reference to Bruce Springsteen into them.

Because if you like joy, you should go see Bruce Springsteen live, which you can do again starting next week when he kicks off his new tour.

So I would read Deliver Me From Nowhere, as good as the movie was,

the book was even better, going much deeper into sort of the tension between who we want to be and what society expects us to be.

Thank you.

Thank you for having me.