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Jason Bordoff

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The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

And then you have major pieces.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

President Trump a few days ago threatened to attack Karg Island, which is this major piece of energy infrastructure that is responsible for most of Iran's oil exports.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

If that were attacked, we know what Iran would do in response.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

They would attack an important piece of energy infrastructure somewhere else.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

In 2019, the Houthis attacked Abqaiq, this critical oil installation in Saudi Arabia.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

And it was remarkable how quickly the Saudis could get that back up and running.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

But the damage could have been much worse.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

And so if you do something like that, you could see millions of barrels a day of disruption that we haven't seen yet.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

By the way, Saudi was exporting about 7 million barrels a day before this.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

And now they're getting to four or five through a pipeline to bypass the Strait of Hormuz and send it to the Red Sea.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

There's a port called Yanbu in the Red Sea.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

That's vulnerable.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

And we saw what the Houthis could do to tankers in the Red Sea not too long ago.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

We haven't seen attacks there yet.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

So if that sort of energy infrastructure is damaged, again, coming back to the attack on Qatar a week ago, the Qataris have said for the roughly 20% of their project that was damaged, it's going to take three to five years to repair.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

Maybe they can do it in two to three, but that's not weeks or months.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

So given how much this conversation has been about the physical constraints and choke points like the Strait of Hormuz, I would recommend that people read an excellent book called Ed Conway's Material World, which is a really great reminder of how important things we never think about like copper and sand are to the global economy.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

We don't think about it until something breaks.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

And what that book makes clear and what this moment is illustrating, I think, in real time is just how dependent we are on all of those materials that we take for granted.

The Ezra Klein Show
How Bad Could the Iran Oil Crisis Get?

I put that alongside a book called More, More, and More by Jean-Baptiste FranΓ§ois.