Jason Calacanis

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How do you think about those competing forces?

How do you think about those competing forces?

You've got the socialists saying bananas, NIMBY, slow down, decel, and then you've got this incredible race we're in for efficiency and this opportunity and abundance.

You've got the socialists saying bananas, NIMBY, slow down, decel, and then you've got this incredible race we're in for efficiency and this opportunity and abundance.

How would you sell it to kind of bring these two sides together?

How would you sell it to kind of bring these two sides together?

Or is it just impossible?

Or is it just impossible?

And it's such a good point, Shamath, because you were recently in the Middle East,

And it's such a good point, Shamath, because you were recently in the Middle East,

And I've been there a bunch in Saudi, UAE.

And I've been there a bunch in Saudi, UAE.

These are the folks who built a large portion of those oil refineries and they are savvy to this.

These are the folks who built a large portion of those oil refineries and they are savvy to this.

And what are they doing in Saudi, UAE, Qatar, all of these regions?

And what are they doing in Saudi, UAE, Qatar, all of these regions?

They're doubling down, they're 10Xing their data center bills.

They're doubling down, they're 10Xing their data center bills.

So to your point, Friedberg, either we build them or they're going to go somewhere else.