Software Stocks Implode, Claude's Hit List, State of the Union Reactions, Trump's Tariff Pivot

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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

Jason Calacanis 0:00
All right, everybody, welcome back to your favorite podcast, the All In podcast.

What is Claude's hit list and how does it relate to the SaaS crash?

Jason Calacanis 0:04
Today, we have a conspiracy corner episode for you. We're going to go over the 9-11 inside job. We're going over Flat Earth, JFK assassination. It's going to be all conspiracy all the time after our amazing blockbuster episode during Ski Week. We're going all conspiracy here. Our guest today, Alex Jones.
Chamath Palihapitiya 0:25
How many views did it get? Nine views?
Jason Calacanis 0:28
I mean, it's tough when you... Have one out of four besties. It doesn't... Michael Tracy is on standby.
Chamath Palihapitiya 0:34
Not true. I can carry an episode for at least 400,000 views.
Jason Calacanis 0:37
I mean, you might. You might. I like your... Hey, for people who don't know, Chamath has his own YouTube channel. He's got his escape hatch for when this train wreck burns to the ground. He started his own YouTube channel. He's hedging his bets. Freberg's working on his solo project. Everybody's doing solo project. The band's got a lot of solo projects.
Chamath Palihapitiya 0:54
The Beatles are experimenting.
Jason Calacanis 0:55
The Beatles are experimenting. They're experimenting. We got a little Yoko Ono situation going on here. You know what the number one topic for this show was by the all-in AI bot, Sax?
David Sacks 1:04
What's up?
Jason Calacanis 1:05
The number one was Dario versus Hegseth.

Why are Doomer narratives gaining popularity and what new AI jobs are emerging?

Jason Calacanis 1:08
The Department of War versus Anthropic was the number one topic selected by our AI bot. As a programming note for folks, that decision will be made end of the day Friday when this podcast comes out. So we will talk about it next week, but let's get to work. We've got a full docket. The Claude Kill List has expanded and an AI fan fiction sub stack tanked your 401k on Monday. Let's get into it. Anthropic's generational run continues. They're now three for three. in tanking different market sectors in February. Congratulations.

What is the Rate Payer Protection Pledge and why is there opposition to datacenters?

Jason Calacanis 1:39
This is like they took the mantle from Brad Gerstner tanking the market. The anthropic shit list. It is. February 3rd, Anthropic announces, hey, we got a legal plug in for Claude. Cowork. Thompson Reuters, LexisNexis, LegalZoom, all down at least 10% since February 3rd. Then on February 20th, Cloud Code Security is announced. In a limited research preview, stocks tank again. CrowdTry, CloudFare, Okta, all down. Then... February 23, anthropic announces Claude can modernize COBOL databases. If you don't know COBOL, that's the like oldest coding language in the world.

What were the reactions to the State of the Union address?

Jason Calacanis 2:16
That's where Saxon learned code when he was in college in the 70s. It's used for banking, payroll, government, healthcare, healthcare runs 95% of ATMs. in the US and it powers Social Security payments. 85% of all Cold War code runs on IBM machines. So IBM decided they would tank 13% on Monday, their worst day since $2,031 billion in market cap losses. So let's stop here before I get into the fanfiction piece. What's your take here of what's happening in the market, Shamath? Is this simply people are looking for an excuse to trim their positions because things have been top-ticking, all-time highs, and people are just looking for an excuse? Or is this reality? Is this the go-forward reality that AI is going to compress these kind of stocks because it solves a lot of problems?
Chamath Palihapitiya 3:08
I'm going to give you two explanations.

How might Yamanaka Factors lead to a cure for blindness?

Chamath Palihapitiya 3:11
I don't know what percentage I would allocate across the two, but I think one is tactical and one is much more strategic, but I think both are happening. The tactical one is that we're at a moment in time where a lot of the smart money hedge funds are starting to massively de-gross. And what that means is they're trimming a lot of positions and they're just taking on a lot less risk. Why, I don't exactly know. It could be motivated by the second thing that I'm going to talk about. But the point is, in a de-grossing cycle,

What impact did SCOTUS's ruling on tariffs have on Trump's policies?

Chamath Palihapitiya 3:49
you tend to be trimming risk and making your position sizes much smaller. So the longs become less long, the shorts become less short and you just shrink. And so there's just general downward pressure. That is a clear behavior right now. But I think the structural change is the more important one. And this is sort of what I talked about this morning. In a normal functioning market, What we are always debating is when a set of cash flows go from becoming highly confident to less highly confident.

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