Menu
Sign In Search Podcasts Charts People & Topics Add Podcast API Blog Pricing

Jason Calacanis

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
24715 total appearances
Voice ID

Voice Profile Active

This person's voice can be automatically recognized across podcast episodes using AI voice matching.

Voice samples: 17
Confidence: High

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

It's sort of like a very important fork in the road right at the outset, which is, do you believe that we're on a path to superintelligence where everything is incredible, where there's infinite abundance, where you can magically describe things and beautiful things appear, complex things appear, groundbreaking things appear?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Or do you believe that it's good next-generational software?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And the answer to that question is really important because we're financing things like it's the former.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Their business model makes solving this problem existential.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And this is sort of along the lines of this essay that I wrote.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Let me just give you the thought exercise and you guys react.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Today we live in a world where the whole market is trying to debate what is the PE ratio that you'd be willing to pay.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

So Facebook is incredibly durable, I'm willing to pay 30 times.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Nvidia is really durable, I'm willing to pay 40 times.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Tesla is incredibly asymmetric to the upside, I'm willing to pay 200 times.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And then Caterpillar or John Deere, I'm willing to pay 15 times.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

I'm just using these as an example.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And what it's effectively signaling to you is how durable all of these cash flows are.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And all we do in the public markets when we make an investment is we're just guessing, when do the cash flows run out?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And we try to say, well, here's how much it's worth and here's how much I'd be willing to pay for today.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

But if you go back to this example and you say, well, what if there's this super intelligence on the horizon?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

I think it's fair to ask the question, what is anything worth?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And what is anything worth in year 10 or year 15 or year 20?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Because if you have infinite abundance and you have all this creativity, won't all companies be disrupted?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And won't we be in this constant churn of everything getting disrupted all the time?