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Jason Calacanis

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And if you were faced with that problem in the public markets, how would you react?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And I think the canary in the coal mine are the SaaS stocks.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Yes, we jokingly call it the SaaSpocalypse, but I think it's much more important.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

I think it's a big societal question.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

How do you view capital markets?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

How do you view the health of a company in a world where we've been told there's a super intelligence on the horizon that makes everything much more fragile than it was before?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And the market reaction is to put all these companies on a spectrum, and they started here in software, and they're re-rating everything down.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And they're changing the way that things are being framed from price to equity to a multiple of cash that you have on hand.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And I think that has huge implications, mostly to Silicon Valley and largely to employees, because we all sell the dream.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

We start a company and we're like, okay, small salary, big equity upside.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

But that's implicitly saying in 15 or 20 years, this thing is going to be worth some gigantic number.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

But if instead every business gets disrupted every five or six years, all you're going to end up with is just the cash.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And so what should employees do?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

The rational reaction from employees will say, you know what?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

I don't want your equity.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Give me more money.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

And if all of a sudden you do that, the valuation multiples and the complexity changes again.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

So I had my team put this chart together.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Okay, what is this?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Anthropic's Generational Run, OpenAI Panics, AI Moats, Meta Loses Lawsuits

Took a handful of SaaS companies and took the MAG6s.