Jason Calacanis

than your choices are to live off the grid and not participate in the modern economy or give up control, right?

To some social credit system.

So I think the open source is really important.

And by the way, that was Elon's instinct in creating open AI.

He was afraid that Google was gonna monopolize AI.

So he's like, let's create,

open ai so that it's not dominated by a single company but that that is i think the right answer here is i know people want to i think their instinct to the idea of powerful ai is to clamp down and just control it but actually you have to have multiple players that's the only way you're going to be protected is is to have multiple players

Is there an issue right now with we don't have a good harness for open source?

I mean, the way that like Claude is a...

Harness for Opus 4.7.

Yeah.

Well, just to wrap up, let me just connect a couple of ideas.

So one is that in terms of the red capture agenda that you're seeing in Washington, I think where it's all leading to is an effort to ban open source models or open weight models.

There's a lot of breadcrumbs leading here.

I think people who want this are being a little bit circumspect.

They don't feel

They're quite there in terms of being able to justify it yet.

Sure.

You look at a lot of the rhetoric around how models need to have guardrails and that with open source models, the guardrails can be removed and therefore they're dangerous.

You see this rhetoric already in anthropics blog posts.