Jason Clancy

And I think, being honest with you, I think he wanted to be.

He was just so out of control.

And if you roll forward then in relation to Brendan Keneally, TD.

So in 2001.

Cousin.

So that's his first cousin.

So Billy Keneally, senior son.

Who took over from Billy Keneally's, you know, in his career in being a TD and so forth.

In 2001, a partner, or I think it was a partner of a victim, went into Brendan Keneally and told him that her, I think it was her husband, I think they were married at the time, that her husband was sexually abused by Bill Keneally.

And also the mother of that victim went into him as well.

And what Brendan Keneally did was

In his evidence, he said he rang his father about it, Billy Keneally Sr.

And Billy Keneally Sr.

referred him to Monsignor Shine.

Now, Brendan Keneally said he knew nothing about Bill Keneally sexual abuse until that day.

But hey, presto, the same playbook is taken out again.

We'll get him into a psychiatrist.

Monsignor Shine got involved.

Brendan Keneally got involved.

Brendan Keneally made the appointment for the psychiatrist this time.