Jason Clancy

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

You know, he said that to me and, you know, at that stage I knew the power that they had because he always spoke about the power and the politics and Fianna Fáil and all that.

And as I said in the press conference, you know what he was, but he was absolutely right.

He was untouchable.

And,

You know, the numbers in the report, and they have to be obviously official numbers, but I can tell you right now, and we've said this, like Colin, Paul, Barry, Jerry, myself, the whole lot of us, like we're able to name off well over 100 people.

That's just us.

And that's just in our decade.

You know, you have to remember there's three other decades.

Yeah.

You know, and I've had people in Waterford City coming up to me over the years on the street saying,

I wouldn't know who they are and they'd be elderly people older people and they'd come over and shake my hand and they'd have tears in their eyes like and they'd be saying to me look thanks for doing this you know because it's not just those victims but it's their families those people would be victims as well oh yeah yeah they were you know some said to me look I'm sorry I couldn't come forward I just wasn't able but you know yeah

Do you know Dr... Sorry, not Dr. Michael McGrath, he was a child abuse expert.

And he was brought into the commission.

And he said that if there was a manual of grooming for a paedophile, he said he has that manual and that is...

like you know and look we're open about it Colin said it Barry you know what he also did so he abused us group wise yeah and then individually yeah but what he also did then and this was really to cement everything in like you know he forced me to do things to Colin vice versa and other lads so yeah you know it was it was airtight for him you know and

But he's highly intelligent.

Yeah.

I mean, he is highly, highly intelligent.