Jason Holland

Mate, just I suppose the ability to see things and put people in space or get passes away.

They were always things that I was good at.

And as I say, my coach now, as if I was coaching myself, I'd be sitting down every week talking to me about

So my getting forward and making some good shots, which probably didn't make too many, or, you know, just the ability to work, to get into space and beat people.

Those were the things that I never was, wasn't, you know, always held me back.

Yeah.

That, that, well, that's, that's pretty much how it was, you know, we'd sort of, um, Roger do much of the kicking cause he, he didn't mind kicking the ball, but we'd, yeah, we'd, you know, be pretty good together and always have a big 13.

You know, Mike Mullins or Rob Henderson, I don't know if you know those boys, but those boys that,

would get us game line and then um you know we'd be looking to you know pull the strings and put other people in space it's pretty much how it went but we had a good pack then too eh that Munster pack was massive and um good tough old Irishman it was good you didn't play with Jeremy Manning did you

Jez was over there when I was coaching.

Oh, coaching.

You know, that first year when the boys did the haka with Dougie and Rua.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was my first year coaching when Joe scored that try to beat us.

Oh, true.

It's another night, another thing I wake up thinking about.

you must have some sleep this night so yeah so yeah that was good it's quite good to see those kiwi boys over there yeah and and dougie they had big impact on on island it's cool it's cool to see kiwis leaving that leaving island like geordie's recently done it with leinster yeah

leaving a good impact as Kiwis in Ireland.

I got to the end of it as far as, well, it must have been my, how old was I?

It must have been 34, 35.