Jason Holland

So if that's the way the rules give it to us, then you've just got to put time into that skill set, like South Africa, though.

Yeah.

But that's still, the people want to see that.

it's also quite a hard thing to train the live contest in the air because it's such a it's always a battle isn't it niggly one to get you starting influential players to be the lunatics that want to just be in your training group that go hard out and put a knee into someone's chin yeah yeah and then you have the other boys who are oh we'll save that for Saturday it's tough it's tough so you know it's been a conversation over the last couple of years around how you train that and get it full on

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I just think that at his best, he can be game-changing.

Yeah.

And we saw little snippets of that in the All Blacks in the first year.

We talked around the high ball stuff, his ability to be fast and strong and beat people as a winger is something that I really enjoy.

And I don't, and it's a little bit, when I say underrated, he hasn't put it together for long periods so far, as far as his body or getting injured or something.

But I do believe if you use Caleb Clark in the right way in the ball and hand beating players, I think he'd be more of a,

You know, he can be a weapon that most teams would battle to deal with.

I really saw so many things from him that he just needs to get some consistency and get the ball in his hands.

Yeah, that's cool.

She's, where am I going with this?

Like, just general life, is it?

Yeah, no, look, it's probably the same themes as what I've talked around.

We've talked around a few things.

We've talked around the sacrifice with the families and what it takes in this game.

But I think the general mindset is –