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Jason Lemkin

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3697 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

They've been the premium product there for the enterprise for a long time.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

Because you're, quote unquote, just an API, there's always a risk that as an ISV is building on top of your product, they might try and use cheaper open source models for some of the more commodified stuff.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

But to the extent that you need the high-end part of the product, that's been the business that Entropiq slash Claude has been able to get.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

And that's where they started, obviously, at the API level.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

And one of the biggest customers for that was the coding companies like Cursor and that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

So then the second thing they've done within the last year is they've said, hey, coding is probably the single largest use case for what we make.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

Let's build a coding product.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

So they have Cloud Code.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

That's allowed them to, quote unquote, win at the... I'm taking your win at the enterprise comment.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

Now they're winning not just by being the API, but being the app for coders.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

And it's not 100% win.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

They're kind of competing with Cursor.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

They're competing with GitHub.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

But, you know, you're grabbing more money instead of maybe being 50% of the revenue of a coder because you've got a gross margin of 50, you're getting 100% of the revenue because you're selling the product.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

So that's the second category in which they're clearly, quote unquote, the winner.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

I mean, my sense is their enterprise share of coding revenue is plus or minus comparable to Cursor and GitHub, maybe a little lower, but growing nicely.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

And then the third thing is they announced the product yesterday and caveat, I haven't had to use, been able to use it yet because I'm actually here on an outside, but it's early in the morning.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

My coffee hasn't kicked in.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

The product is basically, it's clawed for non-coders.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: Anthropic's $10BN Fundraise: Have They Beaten Cursor Already | a16z's $15BN Fundraise: Is the Middle Dead in VC Today? | How OpenAI Could Go to Zero and ElevenLabs at $11BN: Buy or Not?

It's the ability, it's kind of an ability, clawed workspaces, I think it's called.