Jason Wachub

With men, it's the classic chest pain.

With women, it's not.

Which is so frustrating, by the way.

Or what would it be like?

Oh, you know, just anxious.

It's like, really?

And not related, I guess it's related to the book, but we had Peter Attia on recently, and he has a very strong view on cardiovascular disease and goes as far as saying 19 million people die, the number should be like 19.

And that where we sit at this time, there are so many pharmaceutical interventions where even if you say like, I don't like statins, I got like 10 other options for you.

And I could take your APOB from north of 100 and high risk to, you know, less than 60 or 50.

And it's just insane.

And he also goes on to say like, look, like, you know, pharmaceutical industry is not perfect, but this is one area where we're pretty good right now.

And this goes, and you'll say that nutrition is not the best lever for heart disease.

It's fantastic for metabolic health because you could be very fit and do all the right things and still be at risk for heart disease because of genetic factors.

What's your take on that view?

I agree.

I think in the context of for people doing all of the right things, assuming they're not sedentary, eating M&Ms all day and all the bad stuff, relatively healthy, but still at risk, taking risk completely off the table.

But I hear you.

It's a fair point.

I'm curious, what's been game-changing for you?

What have you changed?