Jay Bhattacharya

You have a lot of people going around saying crazy things about vaccines and we just need to like suppress them from having their way and their say, right?

The other camp, which I'm much closer to, is that we actually have to take actions that demonstrate the kind of epistemic humility we were talking about before.

In the context of trying to show people the evidence, for instance, the measles vaccines, if the parents are listening, I would very, very strongly recommend that you have your child vaccinated with the measles vaccines, the polio vaccines, the DPT, all these childhood vaccines that are on.

Now, recently, we took an action of distinguishing vaccines on the childhood schedules that are common all through the rest of the world from vaccines on the childhood schedule not common all through the rest of the world.

Like take the Danes, like the Danish vaccine schedule is really widely trusted in Denmark.

Then you can say to the American public, look, world public health agrees with this.

Places where public health is much more widely trusted agrees with this.

The idea then is to instill confidence that the set of, it's a narrower set of vaccines that are focused on, but this set of vaccines that are tremendously important to the health of the kids, I want the uptake of those vaccines to go up.

It's a different approach than the sort of like traditional public health approach, which is to say you're wrong, go away.

But some people are wrong, right?

Can I just point out, so I think I would agree with that, but it's not unique to the Trump administration.

Tremendous parts of public health, people inside the tent in public health during the Biden administration were deeply wrong about so many things in public health, related directly to public health.

Right?

So it's normal.

Just so we're clear about this.

So, like, I don't think anyone does what you just said.

Like, I think...

People are brought in not because people here think they're wrong.

I mean, I'm not the one bringing anybody in.

Right.