Jay Bhattacharya

No, no, I know.

But they have something to do with the conversation potentially.

And do I think that some of those people are wrong?

Yeah, I mean, I do.

But that's normal.

I normally think a lot of people in science are wrong and public health are wrong.

So that's not unique.

I think the issue is – and what's different in the Trump administration is that we are –

allowing a wider range of public debate over these issues than public health in the United States is traditionally comfortable with.

Like, isn't that a risk?

It certainly is a risk, Ross.

But the risk, the other direction, is that we just keep going with the, well, trust me, I'm right.

I'm like a high public health official in the U.S.

government, and so therefore you should just do what I say.

That approach, I think, has already failed.

I think I'm trying to do that, Ross.

Maybe, I don't know if you agree that I've succeeded, but like, that's my goal also, right?

I think the...

The way I would characterize the vaccine policy is exactly that, right?

So, for instance, I've very, very clearly and straightforwardly said and recommended that parents vaccinate their kids for MMR, for polio, for, you know, DPT, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus.