Jay Jack

Yes.

Yes.

yep it's a it's it's i tell people this all the time especially when i'm talking to force-free people because i talk to a lot of them and i'm generally pretty uh diplomatic in the way that i talk to outside of violence i'm super easy to get along it's fun so it's like uh

I'll tell them, I'm like, oh, you know, primary, like what's a primary reinforcer, right?

Something, and they all like, they have the answer.

And I'm like, list every possible, list primary reinforcers, just give me the complete exhaustive list, list everything.

And they'll make a fucking list.

And I'll go, okay, at the end of the list, I'm like, not one of you listed overcoming fear.

That is one of nature's most powerful primary influences.

Like one of the highest, more than, you know, and it's not on the list at all.

It's just not on the list.

And I'm like, man, that's just wild because you can program, like we're talking about how these dogs, there's these people that realize what's missing and add resistance to make the blend, right?

And then there's these people that just pull the wool over and like pretend like resistance is not necessary and just hide in it.

You can make a dog into that.

If every time he's scared to go up the stairs and I'm like, let's use food to get you up the stairs.

I can get him up the stairs with food.

But he didn't have a rep of overcoming fear.

He had a rep of chasing food.

You know what I mean?

And that means he doesn't understand overcoming fear.