Jay Pukepuke

And he was like –

What's the sorcery?

Because he's a hard man.

So ever since then, he was really curious about that side of it.

So now he works there.

Interesting.

Rather than, get on your knees!

Yeah, kicking the door down.

And it was a different approach, which was...

I think the result would have been the same.

I wasn't going to, you know, the gigs up.

Yay.

Times like the last couple of days, a lot, because I'm here in Auckland.

Yeah, and I think of the... Not the physical harm I did to them, because physically there was none.

It was all psychological, you know, and I just think me coming in aggressive like that and demanding...

I actually don't know how that feels, but I can imagine, you know, they will take it differently.

And, yeah, I hope that they see what I'm doing now and I hope they kind of, like...

Not it was worth it, but I'm glad that he's giving back now rather than continuing on that path and others are victims.

Yeah, so that's kind of what I think of it.

I haven't really made any attempts to reach out, whether they're around or not.