Jay Young

Yeah, she did. She basically said, look, there's very little that we can determine from Michael's autopsy.

Yeah, she did. She basically said, look, there's very little that we can determine from Michael's autopsy.

Well, I think on the part of the prosecution, they wanted to demonstrate that Natalie had a motive. And Natalie's motive was that Michael was about to uncover the Ponzi scheme that she had created. And so what she decided to do was to kill her husband. And so...

Well, I think on the part of the prosecution, they wanted to demonstrate that Natalie had a motive. And Natalie's motive was that Michael was about to uncover the Ponzi scheme that she had created. And so what she decided to do was to kill her husband. And so...

The defense tried to take the wind out of the prosecution's sail by saying, Michael knew it was a Ponzi scheme, so Natalie had no motive to kill him. And if you believe that Natalie didn't have motive, then the prosecution's case collapses.

The defense tried to take the wind out of the prosecution's sail by saying, Michael knew it was a Ponzi scheme, so Natalie had no motive to kill him. And if you believe that Natalie didn't have motive, then the prosecution's case collapses.

Yeah. I mean, I think no one knew what was going to happen. The prosecution made it very clear they had no direct evidence in this case. It was a circumstantial case. Now, they said that they had a mountain of circumstantial evidence, a blizzard of circumstantial evidence. But that was still going to be a stone that they had to get up the mountain. I think everybody was surprised at the outcome.

Yeah. I mean, I think no one knew what was going to happen. The prosecution made it very clear they had no direct evidence in this case. It was a circumstantial case. Now, they said that they had a mountain of circumstantial evidence, a blizzard of circumstantial evidence. But that was still going to be a stone that they had to get up the mountain. I think everybody was surprised at the outcome.

Thanks for having me, Andrea.

Thanks for having me, Andrea.

Thanks for having me.

Thanks for having me.

Thanks for having me.

It was palpable. You know, she took the stand. She was very quiet, very reserved in how she started off and how she described her father. And she painted quite a picture.

It was palpable. You know, she took the stand. She was very quiet, very reserved in how she started off and how she described her father. And she painted quite a picture.

It was palpable. You know, she took the stand. She was very quiet, very reserved in how she started off and how she described her father. And she painted quite a picture.

Well, she testified, Michael was really into bodybuilding and how he appeared. And so he was an athlete and he took supplements to increase his muscle mass. And so she talked about how she would see her dad put basically a plate out and just dump a bunch of pills onto the plate and then take them every morning.

Well, she testified, Michael was really into bodybuilding and how he appeared. And so he was an athlete and he took supplements to increase his muscle mass. And so she talked about how she would see her dad put basically a plate out and just dump a bunch of pills onto the plate and then take them every morning.

Well, she testified, Michael was really into bodybuilding and how he appeared. And so he was an athlete and he took supplements to increase his muscle mass. And so she talked about how she would see her dad put basically a plate out and just dump a bunch of pills onto the plate and then take them every morning.

She also talked about how toward 2017, this was a couple of years before he passed, that his health wasn't great and that his health was in decline. And she painted a picture of her dad as someone who wasn't his robust self.