JD Vance

It's just a powerful psychological motivation.

If you go back to when the Soviet Union fell, right, when the Berlin Wall fell in the late 80s, early 90s,

there was this sense among American leaders, right?

Bill Clinton takes over in 1992, that we had reached what was called at the time, the end of history, that Western liberal democracy was going to triumph.

Everybody was going to be like us.

There was going to be no more ethnic conflict, no more religious conflict, no more regional conflict.

And I think these guys bought the idea so profoundly that

That they can't really wake up and recognize that for the past 40 years we've tried their theories and their theories haven't worked.

It's the craziest thing.

Look at what they said about Dick Cheney.

Hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of Arabs, certainly thousands of Americans.

The biggest –

world historical catastrophe, I think, in the history of the United States of America was the Iraq War.

Because unlike other mistakes that we've made, it was truly unforced.

There was no reason in hindsight to do it.

There was nothing that we got out of it.

We lost

I mean, so many innocent people.

We spent trillions of dollars.

We, I think, destroyed the social cohesion that we had gotten after 9-11.