Jeff Cavaliere

as strong as the internal rotation bias that pulls them in, you're asking for trouble every time you do that.

This exercise is literally putting you in elevation and internal rotation.

And if you were to walk into a PT office and someone said, I think he's got impingement, will you diagnose him?

There's a test called the Hawkins-Kennedy test.

And I would put you in the position, I know we're not visible at this point through the podcast, but I'll put you in this position here, where I have your arm elevated and your hand pretty much under your chin, pushing downward on that to create that internal shoulder rotation.

Pretty much the exact position that we're in when we're holding a bar in an upright row.

Some will say, well, just don't go so high, go only up to the level of the chest, but you're still in this internally rotated position.

The thing that I think frustrates me the most about the exercise is that I have an alternative.

And the alternative does the same thing in terms of helping the muscles grow by simply fixing the biomechanics of the exercise, but just allowing the hands to go higher than the elbows.

So instead of the elbows being higher than the hand, which drives you into internal rotation,

If the elbow is lower than the hand, the hand being higher here, I'm in external rotation.

And I could do something called a high pull and still get the same abduction of the arm and still get the same benefits of the shoulders, the delts, and the traps without having to undergo any of the stresses that would come from the somewhat awkward movement of an upright row.

And people will argue, this is the way they argue, that I've done this for 30 years and I've never hurt myself.

And I always say, yet.

Listen, the goal is to not hurt yourself ever.

So even if you, it's sort of like the championship game.

You might play the game of your life, but if you lose, you lost.

And when you get into the end of the record books, you're still lost.

So even if you had the game of your life, you lost.

I don't care if you do it for 30 years, no pain, you're still doing it and there's no pain.