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Jeff Dean

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Sounds potentially good.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

It's a good question because I don't know that folks haven't been doing that as much.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I mean, we definitely have lots of great ideas coming along.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Everyone seems to want to run their experiment at maximum scale, but I think that's a human problem.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Yeah, the one thing it doesn't speed up is, like, experiments at the largest scale, because you still end up doing, like, these n equals 1 experiments, and they're really just try to put a bunch of really brilliant people in the room and have them stare at the thing, figure out why this is working, why this is not working.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Yes, yes, we're counting on you.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Yeah, we don't need new hardware for that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

But I mean, we'll take it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Yeah, exactly.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

One of the big areas of improvement, I think, in the near future is this entrance time compute, like applying more compute

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

you know, at inference time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And I guess the way I'd like to describe it is that, you know, like even some giant language model, you know, even if you're doing, say, a trillion operations per token, which is

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

you know, more than most people are doing these days.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

You know, operations cost something like $10 to the negative $18.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And so you're getting like a million tokens to the dollar, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

So, I mean, compare that to like a relatively cheap pastime.

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Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Like you go out and you buy a paper book and read it, you're paying like 10,000 tokens to the dollar.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

So it's so like talking to a language model could be like, you know, is like...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

100 times cheaper than reading a paperback.