Jeff Gordy

And actually, the partner that he started it with got a job offer to join the Merck at 250K a year managing their computers.

And that's how I got on board.

So it was just a long path to really kind of getting it up and getting started.

Yeah.

So we actually started our team in the U.S.

So a year about three into it, we finally got ourselves.

Yeah.

About 2008.

We finally got our salaries up to about 45K or so and decided to hire our first employees.

Well, we hired one person in support and we hired two developers.

And we hired guys right out of school.

They just couldn't really help us, couldn't get us where we needed to be, and we couldn't afford good developers.

I think we were paying them about $45,000, $50,000.

So what we ended up doing is taking those two salaries and opening an office in Chengdu, China.

And we were able to legally open an office and hire six developers with over 10 years of experience with those two salaries.

Um, so I recently learned that you can have negative churn, which I wasn't aware of.

Um, so right now we're actually right above like a little bit of churn around one point something percent.

Uh, correct.

Um, I believe, yeah, that's around, uh, 6%.

Yeah.